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@timhoffm timhoffm commented Aug 5, 2025

Closes #30390.

I've tested this locally. I don't think there's a reasonable way to test this in CI unless we are actually willing to do a uv install for this. Mocking the exception does not bring any benefit in detecting whether the error has changed, so would be largely futile.

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isinstance(cause2, AttributeError) and
"'_tkinter' has no attribute '__file__'" in str(cause2)):

is_uv_python = "/uv/python" in (os.path.realpath(sys.executable))
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Is that more helpful?

I think we should catch the error, not exclude python-build-standalone per-se. If they'd fix the tk issue, our versions would directly work. On is_uv_python - I've explicitly tested for uv and tailored the error message, because I anticipate that'll by far the most route to trigger this, and I project that most uv users will not know what python-build-standalone is. So let's give them a uv-targeted error message.

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I didn't suggest excluding python-build-standalone, just detecting it differently.

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My point is I do not really care about python-build-standalone. The criterion is 1. does it raise the known error? And if so, is it a uv-install that I can point users to as the practical cause.

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If that's the case that you only care about uv, then the PR/commit title should be adjusted.

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Possibly my wording was not exactly precise.

The issue originates from the current way python-build-standalone is implmented. - So the PR title is justified.

Then there are two aspects to handling:

  1. Detection: I want to detect the specific error and respond to that. - It's not helpful to detect python-build-standalone. They may improve to fix the error in the future. So issuing a warning/error purely on the fact that python-build-standalone is used would be presumptuous.

  2. Error message: In the simplest case, we could just have the second error message

    Failed to import tkagg backend. This is likely caused by using a Python executable based on python-build-standalone, which is not compatible with Tk. Please use another Python interpreter or select another backend.

    (or if you want to be more affirmative explicitly test for python-build-standalone and remove the "likely"). However, the by-far most common way to obtain a python-build-standalone python is via uv. But it's a technical detail of uv and users are most likely not aware of it. So telling them, they have python-build-standalone is not helpful for fixing the issue. Therefore, I added the uv detection to tell them that uv-provided python is not compatible.

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I am 👍 on doing the work to detect if it is uv.

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geofft commented Aug 7, 2025

FYI we're pretty close to fixing this in python-build-standalone - I think an error message is a good idea but it's probably not worth spending too much time working around this in detail (e.g., there's some code in Pillow that tries to work around this but doesn't quite handle things right, because that code path isn't tested, see astral-sh/python-build-standalone#129 (comment)). I'll hopefully come back soon with a request to change the wording from "not supported" to "please upgrade" :)

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geofft commented Aug 8, 2025

Today's releases of uv and python-build-standalone should fix this issue. (Please let me know if they do not!) I still think a warning is a good idea because uv is not very proactive at upgrading its managed Python installations, but it should suggest upgrading your version of uv and your Python installations.

For uv users, uv self update && uv python upgrade will probably do the trick, though feel free to generically "see the uv documentation" or something.

For python-build-standalone users who aren't getting it from uv, they will want today's release (20250808) or later.

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